Asri-unix.1239 net.works utzoo!decvax!cca!sri-unix!pratt@Shasta@Sumex-Aim Fri Apr 16 07:22:15 1982 Minow Martin Minow's observation about the FORTRAN program that was optimized from a doubly nested loop to two instructions is well taken. The same observation could be applied to other well-known benchmarks. The Takeuchi function is a popular benchmark for comparing call/return/parameter-passing overhead on different machine-language combinations. The existence of a closed form for this function opens up the possibility that a clever optimizer could discover the closed form. As Martin says, people have been known to tune compilers for benchmarks, so this possibility is less remote than it might seem. Furthermore if one is going to accept as valid the optimization Martin cited, on what basis would one reject some other optimization as invalid? However Martin's inference that benchmarks are unrepresentative of machine performance is not the inference I would have drawn. A better inference is that a benchmark written in a high-level language but intended to reveal the performance of the underlying machine should solve a well-defined problem in an efficient way, so as to prevent the optimizer from playing too large a role. Not all benchmarks need be efficient. A customer may be interested in knowing how slow things will go if the programmers are sloppy, e.g. adding up the numbers from 1 to n with a loop instead of using a closed form. Clearly a sloppy benchmark is called for in such a case. Moral: when benchmarking, choose benchmarks matched to what it is you want to measure. Corollary: there is no such thing as the universal benchmark. --Vaughan Pratt ----------------------------------------------------------------- gopher://quux.org/ conversion by John Goerzen of http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/ This Usenet Oldnews Archive article may be copied and distributed freely, provided: 1. There is no money collected for the text(s) of the articles. 2. The following notice remains appended to each copy: The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright (C) 1981, 1996 Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman.