Aucbvax.4770 fa.unix-wizards utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!unix-wizards Wed Oct 28 20:48:09 1981 >From decvax!duke!somewhere!duke!bcw@Berkeley Wed Oct 28 19:56:49 1981 (Bruce C. Wright at Duke University) Subject: Memory management The DEC operating systems do indeed do things differently than Unix in the memory management area. Whether they are worse as Greg Ordy implied is a matter of opinion; their capabilities are structured differently in a way which makes exact comparison difficult. The DEC operating systems (PDP-11 only now -- the others don't have to worry about i/d space and so forth) will be taken as including RT-11, RSX-11 (in it multitudinous forms), IAS, RSTS, and DOS. All of the others (such as TSX, COS, and so forth) are basically derivitives of one of these systems. None of them support i/d space reasonably (the latest version of RSX-11M/PLUS supports i/d space in the kernel and allows a user to create i space regions -- which must be done with an explicit syscall, it isn't transparant like it is in Unix). RSX-11M/PLUS also supports the use of supervisor mode libraries which allow some appropriately-written language runtimes to be moved into supervisor mode on machines which have it. This can obviously greatly reduce the demand for space in user mode and in some cases make the i/d space issue moot. But the support of i/d space is not the only feature which might be interesting. The multi-user systems (RSX-11, IAS, and to a certain extent RSTS) allow the sharing of segments of text and data which are common to multiple programs, rather than the more restrictive version on Unix which allows the sharing of text and data across multiple copies of a single program. This allows things like language runtimes to have only one copy in memory which can significantly reduce memory contention. The DEC systems also support overlays, which although as usual a hassle goes a long way to making up for the lack of i/d space separation. It is also possible in some of the systems to declare "memory-resident" overlays, which look logically like normal overlays but which put all of the segments in memory rather than on disk; overlay segments are selected by manipulating the PDP-11 mapping registers with system calls. This is implemented on top of a more general feature which allows the manipulation of arbitrary-sized memory regions, using a mapping register as a window pointer into the larger region. The use of forks to simulate overlays can be inefficient, not to mention inconvenient for the programmer, when there is a lot of data which has to be moved between the segments. The overall effect of all this on the useability of the memory management system is unclear, and probably is highly dependent on the specific problems being addressed and the performance constraints placed on the solution. Certainly there does not seem to me to be a clear-cut superiority for either the DEC memory management systems or for the Unix system. Bruce Wright @ Duke University ----------------------------------------------------------------- gopher://quux.org/ conversion by John Goerzen of http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/ This Usenet Oldnews Archive article may be copied and distributed freely, provided: 1. There is no money collected for the text(s) of the articles. 2. The following notice remains appended to each copy: The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright (C) 1981, 1996 Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman.