Aucbvax.3255 fa.unix-wizards utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!unix-wizards Tue Sep 22 13:38:59 1981 history in bourne shell >From cbosg!cbosgd!mark@Berkeley Tue Sep 22 13:09:12 1981 Some general comments: The two most useful features of csh are history and aliases. The process control is useful too but it requires extensive kernel mods. If you're going to hack sh you should probably put in both these features. The history code can probably be embedded in sh pretty cleanly. It has been said that the history mechanism belongs in a virtual terminal driver, not the shell. Bourne was going to put in history but didn't for this reason (as I understand it). There is a virtual terminal system under development here but don't hold your breath. While the alias mechanism is also very important, even better would be shell functions which are really parsed. (In csh, the history mechanism will not talk to control structures, neither will aliases.) I heard a rumor that Bourne has shell functions added to sh at research. You should check with him first and get the most recent sh. Personally I find the csh syntax much more palatable than sh. But I do understand why BTL is very afraid of ever changing shells again, so I think it would be a win to have functions and history in sh too. (While you're at it, you might put in the ~ and {} globbing characters of csh - they are short and sweet and useful.) One note: the choice of ! as a history character in csh was a bad choice - ! is important for uucp and is also hard to type. I use , as my history character, and the only problem I get is when I want to type {foo,bar,bletch} I have to type {foo\,bar\,bletch}. I do this so rarely that it's not really a problem. Likewise, I use ; rather than ^ as a substitute character - it's in the same place on all keyboards and much easier to type. (There is no ambiguity with command separaters because it is only special at the beginning of a line.) Mark Horton ----------------------------------------------------------------- gopher://quux.org/ conversion by John Goerzen of http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/ This Usenet Oldnews Archive article may be copied and distributed freely, provided: 1. There is no money collected for the text(s) of the articles. 2. The following notice remains appended to each copy: The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright (C) 1981, 1996 Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman.